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Sunday Question – Should We Reward Egregiously Bad Behavior?

Posted by Mitch Mitchell on Jul 25, 2010

Two weeks ago I was having a brief yet interesting conversation with someone on Twitter. He asked if people enjoyed Mel Gibson movies less these days because of some of the bad behavior that’s been attributed to him. I said I can’t get myself to watch anything with him in it; the other guy believed people should separate the private person from the works that person has done.

This post is based on that conversation. It’s a hard topic to think about because we all not only have different thoughts on it, but it depends on what we perceive as “egregious” at the time.

For instance, there were a lot of people who turned against Michael Jackson during his trial, though I wasn’t one of them. Many people had already decided his guilt because they didn’t like his personal behavior otherwise. I don’t think you judge the quality of someone’s work because you don’t like their personal behavior. After all, Robert Downey, Jr has been to jail and rehab, what, 20 times (okay, exaggerating a bit), but he’s on top of the world, puts out great stuff, and, well, he’s just the most likable guy. No harm to anyone but himself.

Then we have Mel Gibson. I’ve tried to go out of my way not to hear any of these tapes that supposedly have him calling his ex-girlfriend all sorts of names and saying a lot of intolerant and racist things, but unless you turn off your TV or radio it’s going to get through, and I did eventually hear one thing; man, it sounds like him. He sounds drunk as well, and based on his past behavior with the police, it seems to be a pattern. The difference here, at least to me, is that he’s projected himself to be this super-Christian, even building his own church, has 9 kids and projected himself as the ultimate family man. Talented or not, I feel like I was sucked in only to be let down.

Of course he’s not the only one. I’m sure y’all remember Jeffrey Jones from many movies including Ferris Bueller, Amadeus & Beetlejuice, who’s now a convicted sex offender. Then there’s R Kelly, who luckily got off from his underage sex trial and immediately prompted this response from a radio DJ (and who can blame him; it was R Kelly’s house, and the guy in the video ‘in his house’ urinated on a little girl who may or may not have been 18; he also married Alliyah when she was 15, so there’s a pattern. But I digress…). And, whether or not you believe OJ did it, does that demean his being a super talented athlete, which also goes for Lawrence Taylor, Ty Cobb, and Pete Rose? Politicians get forgiven by the masses many times over (Robert Byrd and, being fair, I have to include Nelson Mandela here).

This isn’t a new subject, but the way. Richard Wagner wrote some incredible music, and I’m almost ashamed to say that I love a lot of it. That’s because he was an avowed bigot in his hatred of Jewish people, and never tried to hide it either. Even today, there are symphonies that won’t play any of his music because of it. And while we’re on it, are we ever going to forgive Chris Brown for beating up Rihanna? Does he deserve it, being a kid of sorts when he did it?

In this day of sex tapes and, because of 24/7 media slips of the tongue, how much should we tolerate and support and forgive? Does it matter whether it’s a violation of a person harming themselves or someone else? What say you? Are there people you’ve kind of forgiven or people you won’t forgive?

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I’ve never watched a movie because of who was in it, and it always drives me crazy when I ask somebody what a certain film is about and they respond, “Harrison Ford is in it.” I try to separate any personal feelings I may have for the performers (which are no doubt distorted anyway) from any interest I may have in seeing the finished product. On the other hand (there always seems to be another hand, doesn’t there?) I know that when I buy a ticket or rent a DVD, I’m probably putting money into the pockets of those people. And I have a list of people, growing all the time, into whose pockets I have no desire to place any of my hard-earned cash. That’s a separate issue and the potential for conflict is there: What if I want to see a movie Mel Gibson is in? What if the film is directed by Rob Reiner and I really like his work? It’s complicated. What I’m definitely not in favor of is any form of censorship. If Gibson or Don Imus or Michael Richards or anyone else who harbors hateful thoughts wants to voice those thoughts, they have every right to do so. And we all have every right to think and feel and react to them in any way that is appropriate. Ultimately, I would hope, the market will weed out the creeps on its own. But you know me, I’m the eternal optimist.

Mitch Reply:

Many times Charles, I don’t remember a movie if I don’t remember at least a name that was in it. That doesn’t include cartoons, however. Still, these days I can’t imagine a top director working with someone who’s presently a pariah in the minds of others, so I don’t see that ever being an issue. I agree that people have the right to say whatever they want to say, but I also have always said that they must be prepared to face the consequences of that speech. And the market is weeding out the creeps; Gibson’s career is probably trashed, we haven’t heard from Richards all that much, and for some of the rest… well, I guess we’ll see about them.

July 25th, 2010 | 1:28 PM

They are both to blame. Both of them are in the wrong. Honestly Mel was way out of line, but at the same time I don’t think she should have sold those tapes off. They both are morally bankrupt and should be putting that dear little baby first. When Lucia is grown and hears about this she will have no parent to be proud of. Although I do think that Mel may have lost it, he should take a step back and examine himself.

Mitch Reply:

True, but he’s the person everyone knows, and when you’re in certain positions it behooves you to check your public behavior, especially since the same type of thing has happened in the past.

July 27th, 2010 | 4:02 PM

That is an interesting question. I would have to say that doesn’t effect my music selection at all, but it does my movie watching. I think it’s because you see their face in the movie, and that makes it harder to ignore the bad association and only see the character they are playing. I never cared much for anything Mel Gibson ever made, so that hasn’t been an issue for me.

Mitch Reply:

Hi Melinda. I think bad behavior does affect some musicians while others get to skate. Drug usage has never hurt a single musician, but Chris Brown still hasn’t recovered for what he did. And I can’t imagine anyone getting any enjoyment if they know what Gary Glitter did if someone happens to play Bang A Gong, knowing that this convicted pedophile who flew into other countries so he could have sex with 10-year old girls gets paid every time.

July 29th, 2010 | 7:39 AM

I think it depends on what the individual has done.
I’ve never been a big fan of Mel Gibson, although some of his movies are “alright,”
(I did enjoy Ransom)but not because of him. I think there are many actors with as much talent, and better off screen reputations that could have made the films as enjoyable.

As far as your question, there is one celebrity that I did not necessarily forgive, but temporarily removed my personal ban from-
NBA “Badboy” (or jerk, as I prefer) Dennis Rodman. I’m not a big sports fan, but some athletes you just can’t help hearing about. He was one, and it was always negative. After he kicked that camera man, I had enough. If he represented a product, I wouldn’t buy it. If he was spokesman for an establishment, I wouldn’t go there. But I did start watching The Celebrity Apprentice( not a big Donald fan either BTW), and did continue watching it the season Dennis Rodman was on it. And his behavior on the show just reinforced my dislike for him.

There are some people, Michael Richards, for example, where I can appreciate their talent, even though as an individual, I can’t give them much respect.
I enjoy watching Justin Timberlake when he’s on SNL. So considering the fact that he took no responsibility for the Janet Jackson Superbowl wardrobe malfunction, I guess I’ve forgiven him. Not forgotten though!
I like these thought provoking type posts Mitch, so forgive me again for rambling. :)

Mitch Reply:

I’m glad to have your presence here, Aaron! Actually, I never had a dislike for Rodman, but I really felt sorry for him on Apprentice, as it just seems like he needs someone to help him guide his life. Same with Timberlake; truthfully, I never expected an apology from him.

But for the truly bad behavior, it just makes us think from time to time, and I believe that’s when we know we have a conscience, because we do pause to think before we make our choices, whether we all end up making the same choices or not.

July 30th, 2010 | 5:17 AM

Missed those one…fits right in with the jetBlue flight attendant behavior this past week.

Mitch Reply:

Well, with all the articles I put out, you’d have to probably create a separate category in your RSS reader just for me. ;-)

August 11th, 2010 | 10:08 AM