I'm Just Sharing

Posted by Mitch on Aug 22, 2009

I’m a privacy guy, believe it or not. I believe drug testing for most jobs is a violation of privacy. I’m against racial profiling (I would be). I’m against someone being allowed to see your entire credit report without your permission. I’m on the Do Not Call registry. I have a fake name in the phone book. In other words, I protect myself where I want to protect myself.

I also believe in being open about who I am most of the time. Every blog I’m on, I’m Mitch, although I was on one of those “diary” blogs and had a different name back then. I had wanted a place where I could talk about things that irked me in the world without having it come back to my business blog.

What I never did, though, was take that anonymity, find one person, and start slandering them, or saying rude things just because I was hidden behind a fake name. That’s one of the problems I’ve always had with online conversations. Some people hide behind a fake name and say things they never would in person. That’s just not right, and I don’t like it one bit. I’ve always wished I could get back at those people in some way, while being glad that none of that stuff was ever aimed at me.

This week, some woman in New York finally got hers. After slandering this model, Liskula Cohen, Cohen got a lawyer and sued Google to get the name of the person on whose blog these things were being written. And a New York state supreme court judge granted her that, so Google had to give it up. Well, they had to give up the email address, since names can always be faked, and this model knew who this woman was, and called her up. She’s still thinking about suing, but said it could possibly be avoided if the woman issued a public apology.

Man, nothing makes me more happy than this. Our local newspaper allows people to comment on news stories online, and there’s never anything said that brings any real discussion to the conversation. Are people really so bored and hate their lives so much that they can’t take the time to put together a constructive thought, instead putting everything down with the most hateful thing they can come up with (at least they’re not allowed to use bad language on the site)?

Well folks, be put on notice. Unless your site is in another country, Google, because they own Blogger (which I don’t like), will have to give up the info, and at that point your behind could be cooked. I’m thinking a nice little lawsuit would shake things up. The woman, still unidentified but who has a mouthpiece lawyer giving his opinion, said the things she said might have been disgusting, but they’re protected under free speech. No, they’re not; if you make stuff up to hurt someone intentionally, that’s slander, and you’re going to lose in every court in the country.

Fairness has come to the internet; let’s see where the chips will start to fall.

Tags: anonymity, Blogging, fairness, fake names, slander

44 Comments »

The Gooroo @ iBlogPlanet.com:

Hahaha, nice! I really like this because I absolutely hate people who can talk so big on the internet/behind a fake name, but would never, ever say most of the stuff they say online, in person. This blogger will get what’s coming at them! Lesson learned, at a hefty cost.

Btw Mitch, not sure if anyone has pointed this out to you, but under your comment box, you have two “notify me of followup comments via e-mail” checklists. Not sure if it’s supposed to be like that or not. Just thought I’d point it out
The Gooroo @ iBlogPlanet.com´s last blog ..Second Time’s A Charm!

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 PM

Everyone’s pointing it out, Gooroo; I think you mentioned it once before. I need both because one of them isn’t working, and I can’t seem to turn the bad one off after the last WordPress update.

As for the people, yes, it’s nice that some people can and will eventually get theirs for their bad behavior. If you’re going to lambaste someone in particular, at least be there to back it up in person. Then again, maybe it’s easier for us bigger guys to say stuff like that.

The Gooroo @ iBlogPlanet.com Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Sorry Mitch, forgot I had pointed it out earlier.

Yeah, I understand. I guess it would have been fine to express their dislike for the female, but going on to make up things is obviously a crime (defamation or slander I think you said).
The Gooroo @ iBlogPlanet.com´s last blog ..Second Time’s A Charm!

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Yes, exactly, and if someone gets sued for it, they’re going to lose and it’s going to cost a lot. You just can’t get away with that in most countries, freedom of speech or not.

August 22nd, 2009 | 3:36 PM

Doug Dillard:

That is great Mitch! I am sure the woman was shocked when she got confronted. One of the funniest stories of someone getting caught blogging under different aliases was the story Extreme John wrote a few weeks ago. If you have not seen it it is well worth the read and watching the video… http://www.extremejohn.com/yellow-book-customer-service-fail/
Doug Dillard´s last blog ..I Used to Be a Dotcom Millionaire, Well at Least On Paper!

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Wow, that was interesting, Doug. I decided not to leave a comment, as I see a rep from the company did finally write John to apologize for the jerk. People just never know anymore.

August 22nd, 2009 | 4:07 PM

Klaus @ TechPatio:

Oh, so that’s what it was all about… I read some headlines about Google giving up the name of some blogger but never really dived into it – but now I just got it all served on a silver platter, thanks

Privacy doesn’t exist anymore, not if you’re online, use a creditcard, owns a mobile phone – and specially not if you’re on a social media site. So what’s important nowadays is being able to control which part of the privacy to be exposed and the details within, before somebody else does it for you….

Regarding the two “notify me of follow up comments”, I think you probably have a plugin with the sole purpose of offering that feature – but I also think you have the “WP Thread Comment” plugin – or something similar – and that offers the same functionality, hence the two “notify me”-options. I ran into same problem but disabling one of the plugins and it was solved.
Klaus @ TechPatio´s last blog ..Apple Builds Giant Data Center In North Carolina – But For What?

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Actually Klaus, it’s supposed to be a feature of the new WP software, as it has its own threaded comments portion. However, it doesn’t seem to work with every theme and every version, and I think that’s how it’s gotten stuck here. I had to reload WP Threaded Comments so people would get responses back to comments, and we’re not supposed to need it anymore with the updates. That’s part of my gripe with the constant changes they keep making.

August 22nd, 2009 | 4:56 PM

Brian D. Hawkins:

I use my real name everywhere and I don’t pay extra to make my domain registration info private. In fact, my cell phone number is on 75 pages indexed by Google. I do use a PO Box, however, to protect my family from some unstable person that might take a disliking to my ‘that’s right I said it’ attitude.

I’m a little surprised Google released the data since they are bigger that the law. Like you, I’m glad they did.
Brian D. Hawkins´s last blog ..Million Dollar Cutest Dog Competition

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Turns out Google isn’t bigger than federal court, and that’s a good thing. You can tell some truths about someone that they might not like and be protected, but when you’re out and out lying and defaming,… nope, that just won’t get it done.

I’m pretty much me on the internet. I’ve been Mitch my whole life, but I’m also known professionally as T. T. Mitchell. I can be found all over, and I do have my address on my business site, but that’s it. However, I’m not hard to reach for anyone who wants to find me.

August 22nd, 2009 | 9:57 PM

Jason:

When you mentioned people who comment on local papers website and they comment with hate, I think that is done just to spark a flame and start discussions. Lots of people would just say something to make more people to comment and keep the conversation more interesting.
Jason´s last blog ..I hate the ‘back to school’ time…

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:56 PM

You might be right, Jason, but I still don’t like it. I’d love to show up at the house of most of these people, say their name, and tell them I’m ther eto discuss what they wrote on the website in person. It would be interesting to see how many of them tried to slam and lock the door quickly.

Jason Reply:
August 23rd, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Just like Jay and Silent Bob (look it up on youtube) when they go door to door to talk to everyone who talked shit about them online.
Jason´s last blog ..I hate the ‘back to school’ time…

Mitch Reply:
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 AM

I actually went and looked it up on Wikipedia, Jason, because I’d never heard of these guys (wouldn’t be my styleof movie, which might explain that). Interesting premise; kind of funny when I think about it.

August 22nd, 2009 | 11:27 PM

Ricky:

Sometimes people get angry and say bad things to others, sometimes they do it intentionally. I ain’t supporting those people, but I am worried about annonymity over the internet. It means one can’t hide his face behind any mask over the internet,huh?
Ricky´s last blog ..Top 10 All-in-one Online Messenger Services

Mitch Reply:
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 PM

No, people can still try to hide their identities, and for the most part they’ll get away with it. What they can’t do, though, is make up lies with the intention of hurting someone. And if they do say something, they might be made to prove it. You can trust that anyone and anything I attack here, I’m ready to back it up.

But I’m not all that much an attacker. I’ll out bad service and bad behavior here and there, but in general, as Michael Jackson used to say, I’m a lover, not a fighter. lol

August 22nd, 2009 | 11:40 PM

Sire:

I’ve actually heard this on the news the other day and assumed that because Google was involved they had to be talking about Blogger. Seems that woman, I assume it was a woman, may get what’s coming to her.

As for drug testing a prospective employee, I am 100% for it because employers have to protect their other employees, customers and anyone else that may be put in danger by someone who turns up to work under the influence.
Sire´s last blog ..WassupBlog’s Ultimate Blogging Contest

Mitch Reply:
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 AM

You’re an employer, Sire, and one would expect that your thoughts on privacy in that regard might be different than mine. However, from my perspective, I wouldn’t ask for it except in certain extreme situations, and, obviously, I’ve never taken one, and I never will.

Sire Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 4:26 AM

It’s not just the employer side of it Mitch. My drivers sit behind the wheel of a 8 ton truck and that incurs a lot of responsibility on my part. Imagine what could happen if their ability to make judgments was impaired because they had taken some drugs beforehand. The financial and legal ramifications aside, it would be unbearable if their drug induced impaired reactions caused a loss of life.
Sire´s last blog ..WassupBlog’s Ultimate Blogging Contest

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Drivers I could understand, Sire. But if you had office staff, what would be the reasoning for their having to take a drug test? I have no problem with matching up tests with certain jobs, but across the board,… nope, not me.

Sire Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 10:19 AM

I don’t know, what if that office staff was so out of it he/she flagged an option that they shouldn’t of causing someone so much distress they committed suicide before the error was discovered?

Say, it’s time for bed and you haven’t made a move.
Sire´s last blog ..Dominance Is All About Your Domain Name

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Even with a drug test, you wouldn’t know that person might not exhibit that kind of behavior later on. And, usually when people are paying attention, they’ll see the signs a lot earlier than waiting for a problem to occur.

And I moved; go to bed!

Sire Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 11:20 AM

OK, I did my own post on this but I cheated a little as I made it for prospective employees only
Sire´s last blog ..Does An Employer Have The Right To Drug Test Prospective Employees

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Sire, I’d expect nothing less than you cheating. lol I’ve also made the first comment on it, I expect.

Sire Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Now Mitch, cheating is a bit harsh mate I prefer to think of it as being a little sly.
Sire´s last blog ..Does An Employer Have The Right To Drug Test Prospective Employees

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 6:43 PM

I’d normally go with “sneaky”, but you mentioned cheating. lol

Sire Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 7:22 PM

So I did Oh well, it was late when I wrote that and I completely forgot about it.
Sire´s last blog ..Does An Employer Have The Right To Drug Test Prospective Employees

August 23rd, 2009 | 4:44 AM

Walter:

That’s truly foul, slandering others using fake names. I totally agree with you on your stand on privacy. In this cyberworld you really don’t know who you are dealing with.

Mitch Reply:
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 PM

Thanks for your thoughts, Walter. Yes, it is foul, and I hate that kind of cowardice.

August 23rd, 2009 | 9:42 PM

Ching Ya:

Slandering is the least welcoming, whether it’s on/offline. Terrible as it already is for ruining someone’s reputation but not having the guts of showing yourself while doing it? That’s just awful! Great that internet is all wide-open nowadays, nobody can hide no more.

Although it’s still quite sad to see that some are lacking communication etiquettes. Free speech? I don’t think that’s the way to use it.

@wchingya
Social/Blogging Tracker
Ching Ya´s last blog ..How Seriously Do You Take Blog Comments?

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Thanks for your comment, Ching Ya. You’re right, that’s not what the concept of free speech was ever supposed to be about. Also, people who support free speech are usually the first ones to cry when someone calls them on it; kind of like this woman, who’s now going to try to sue Google for NOT defying a court order. Idiocy.

August 24th, 2009 | 4:17 AM

Trade Show Guru:

hi Mitch,
You rightly point out there is a big difference between “free speech” and “anonymous free speech”. They are not the same thing. People can say what they like, but they are also liable for what they say.
BTW, to show I read your entire post:

“After slandering this model, Liskula Cohen, Cohen got a model and sued Google to get the name of the person on whose blog these things were being written.”

I don’t think Cohen got a model to do the job, but that might have been cheaper than a lawyer. Also, I don’t think Cohen slandered herself.”

Finally, who in their right mind could say anything bad about a hottie like Cohen (at least based on her picture)?

~ Steve, the trade show guru
Trade Show Guru´s last blog ..According to Chuck Norris

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Good catch, Steve, and I’ve made the correction. Thanks! lol

Actually, if I ever have to sue someone, I want a model handling it, a real pretty one so the judge isn’t paying attention to anything the other side has to say.

August 24th, 2009 | 10:36 AM

Trade Show Guru:

Hey Mitch,
I agree with your logic on having a model represent you in court. I hadn’t thought about the potential benefits of that.
~ steve, the trade show guru
Trade Show Guru´s last blog ..According to Chuck Norris

August 24th, 2009 | 12:15 PM

Christie:

It really is a good thing this happened when it did, because we are getting to a point where some people think their blog has to be outrageous in a train wreck sort of way in order to get noticed. If there were no penalty for slandering people while hiding behind a fake name, it would definitely start to get out of control.
Christie´s last blog ..MiscBytes unusual niche of the month

Mitch Reply:
August 24th, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I felt that it had already gotten out of control, Christie. Not sure if you remember Usenet, but many of the forums on there got corrupted once people knew they could hide their identity and post to multiple groups at a time. Racists and pornographers took over and ruined it for everyone else. And once that genie was let out of the bottle, it was lights out to decency.

August 24th, 2009 | 1:08 PM

Andrew:

People tend to find themselves confuse between slandering or just giving their own opinion. In most cases, freedom of speech has been always an issue when discussing these matters. Still, they did a great job in penalizing people who ruin other people’s lives just to create foul write-ups to them.

Mitch Reply:
August 25th, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Exactly Andrew. There’s a major difference between “I didn’t care for the makeup Jenny had on” and “Jenny’s a slut, and looks like one also.”

August 25th, 2009 | 3:00 PM

wilhb81:

Mitch, honestly, I’m also hated those people who scolding other person behind the “Anonymous” nickname! In this case, I think they’re deserved for the punishment. That’s why, we should MIND of what we’re saying, no matter at online or offline world.
wilhb81´s last blog ..The Useful Business Tips 42: The 5 Great Tips To Be More Efficient in Your Business!

Mitch Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 2:56 AM

I absolutely agree with you, Wil. No one deserves to be beaten up without a chance to defend themselves, or at least know who it is that’s berating them.

August 26th, 2009 | 2:25 AM

Ajith Edassery:

In the online world, it’s so easy for anybody, sitting in some timbukto behind a fake name, to tarnish popular people’s image. It has become a habit to become popular by damaging the image of popular people. This tabloid tendency in blogging is very very bad!

I see that many social netwoking sites do not do anything about it because they want themselves to be popular as well.

Well articulated post, Mitch.
Ajith Edassery´s last blog ..Ad Size and Advertising Effectiveness

Mitch Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 2:58 AM

Thanks Ajith. Actually, some social networks are quick to yank things. Facebook hates complaints of any type. Twitter may take some time, but eventually they’ll get the bad players there also.

I’m sure my day will come, if I get as popular as I’m shooting for, that I’ll have to fend off some unwarranted attack by someone looking to make their bones off me. At that time, I hope I have the money to either ignore them or crush them. Yeah, I go for the jugular.

August 26th, 2009 | 2:38 AM

Rose:

I’ve had a number of nasty untrue things said about me by people who hide behind fake names.
Rose´s last blog ..Coca-cola a migraine headache remedy

Mitch Reply:
January 13th, 2010 at 10:25 PM

Pretty irritating, isn’t it Rose? I can’t say that’s happened to me as far as I know, but I remember back in the late 90′s someone deciding to say all sorts of things about me and to me in the newsgroups. Moron left some info out there that allowed me to track him to his location, which was a college only an hour away from here, including the dorm he lived in. I posted all his info in the newsgroup except for the dorm and freaked him out. We wrote back saying I’d better never show up and he was alerting security; that was way before I had a picture online, so who was he going to warn about who to look out for? He ended up leaving the group, and that was that.

Otherwise, I’m usually fairly calm, though I will give what I get, no matter where it is. Hang in there, Rose; you’re doing good things with your blog.

January 13th, 2010 | 10:10 PM

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